Presidents' Athletic Conference commissioner Joe Onderko joined Patrick Coleman for a lengthy conversation on a range of topics, including his conference's under-the-radar football hotbeds, the compact geography of the PAC and how it affects rivalries, where the PAC might go when it has 12 football teams again, how the conference seeks out postseason football bowl opportunities and how he would advise conferences go about it.

Outside of football, we discuss the large number of NCAA Division III championships which are coming to the Pittsburgh area over the next few years, including the 2027 Division III men's basketball championships. We also talk about the trend of putting broadcasts behind a paywall, where the PAC stands on this, and what happens with a loss of exposure. Plus, the conference already got a school coming in from Division I, and we talk about what the trends are for the future there, and finally -- what is Pittsburgh pizza and where should you go to experience it?